When will there be a 5th Starship launch?
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2024-09-30
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2024-10-31
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2024-11-30
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2024-12-31
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2024-06-30 (On or before)
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2024-07-15
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2024-07-31
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2024-08-08
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2024-08-15
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2024-08-31
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2024-09-15

Each date resolves YES if a 5th Starship launch, intended to reach space, takes place on or before that date (local time at the launch site). Otherwise NO.

A "launch" is defined as the vehicle lifting off the pad, however slightly, under thrust from its engines. (Exploding on the pad does not count.)

"Starship" is defined as any vehicle designs descended from the existing designs of Starship - i.e. if they make substantial changes or rename the vehicle, it still counts. But a vehicle based on e.g. the Falcon 9 would not count, even if SpaceX called it a Starship.

Only missions with a planned trajectory that reaches space (100km altitude) count. So a 10km altitude flight test does not count.

You can add more dates if you want. New answers must follow the same format.

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2024-08-31

@jack no rush, but this one can resolve NO now. Sigh.

bought Ṁ20 2024-08-15 YES

@jack moar dates pls

Added. Also changed it so anyone can add dates if they want!

IFT5 "Late August / Early September" for expected wait on FAA license modification.
https://www.youtube.com/live/tEkRY8TG2BU

bought Ṁ2,000 2024-08-08 NO

Even without FAA, "From a certain point of view Starship will be ready in 2 to 3 weeks"

Doesn’t contain any info for flight 5 but you might appreciate the video anyway.

I think we could use 2024-08-08 :)

bought Ṁ25 2024-08-08 NO

Added!

opened aṀ1,0002024-07-31 NO at 7% order

@chrisjbillington Curious where your confidence is coming from on this, if you’d like to share. Are you basing this mostly on just standard corrections for Elon time, or is there another reason you think a July launch is so unlikely?

Sorry, I missed this comment when it was made. My confidence was based on /u/space_rocket_builder (a SpaceX employee) on Reddit saying that a July launch was very unlikely.

Communication licence application for IFT5 from 19 July 2024 https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=134821

bought Ṁ750 2024-07-15 NO

IFT5 "late July"

moar dates

bought Ṁ250 2024-08-15 YES

Added August 15. My usual approach is to try to make a spread of dates with ~25% difference in between, otherwise it's too many.

finer resolution:

@ChristopherRandles Maybe it would be better to use the "histogram"/"numeric" style market? Yours has finer resolution for the expected value, but doesn't give the full PDF. See here for an example: https://manifold.markets/JoshuaWilkes/when-will-starship-land-on-a-launch

@JessRiedel yeah I think the numeric markets are eventually going to be the best way for this, but it's not quite what I'm looking for yet

@jack Curious why not? (Is it because there's no date formatting, so you get that weird 2024.8 stuff?)

@JessRiedel I agree I would prefer those histogram/numeric markets to get the full pdf. However lowest cost numeric market seems to be 10k so can't make many of those but perhaps this might be one of the few that justifies it

I think mainly the lack of date formatting - which is extremely important. The #1 thing that makes a market usable is being able to easily interpret what the answers mean.

I also think the bet interface still needs some improvements. Like, it ought to show the probability for the range I'm betting on before and after the bet.