When will OpenAI announce o4 (full)
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Dec 31
1%
Before June 2025
1%
Before July 2025
10%
Before August 2025
20%
Before September 2025
40%
Before October 2025
42%
Before November 2025
48%
Before December 2025

Minor changes to the name, such as using "o4-large-1125" instead of "o4", are acceptable when determining the announcement. However, o4-mini, or some more minor version of the "full" o4, do not count.

To count as announced, an official announcement, with information about the model's capabilities, must be made by OpenAI or an official partner of OpenAI. if it's banned in the US but releases in China this market would still resolve YES.

Note that the model being publicly available at a future date is not required. This market, had it been about o3, would have resolved YES "before January 2025".

  • Integrated GPT-5 scenario: If o4 is simply incorporated into GPT-5 (i.e. if o4 is not independently announced), the market resolves NO.

  • Independent or benchmark announcement: If o4 is trained independently or on top of GPT-5 and there is an official announcement (e.g. benchmark results) even if it is not released as a standalone model, the market resolves YES.

See also:

/Bayesian/when-will-openai-announce-o4 (this market)

/Bayesian/when-will-openai-release-gpt45-ULpyUuqd2L

/Bayesian/when-will-openai-release-an-open-so

/Bayesian/when-will-deepseek-release-r2

/Bayesian/when-will-deepseek-release-v4

/Bayesian/when-will-xai-release-grok-4

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@Bayesian May can resolve NO, thanks!

bought Ṁ15 Before December 2025 NO

why do people think there will be an o4?

@JoshYou good question. Open-ai did say they would make mixed models like Claude and Gemini but later they backpedalled. Possible this lack of mixing is temporary and they still plan to mix o4 into gpt-5.

The fact that ab o4-mini (and -high) is publically available hints they might still release an o4 seperately.

If you think o4 won't release, there's a lot of mana here for you to bet down all options.

bought Ṁ10 Before November 2025 NO

@Samaritan my read is their current plan is to not release a model called o4: their next flagship will be GPT-5, and future models will be GPT-5.1 or 5.5 or similar. But I think it's plausible (30-40%) that they will release an o4, because they change their minds a lot.

@JoshYou AFAIK they announced next o-models serie will still be available via API

opened a Ṁ300 Before July 2025 NO at 50% order

I’m a doubter. Currently all their efforts are on GPT-5, I think after that o4 will re-enter the discussion.